Kaelen Jones has had a whirlwind month. When I first emailed him in early June after reading his tremendous essay on experienced racism, he worked for The Athletic. A lay-off followed days later, but before he knew it he was hired as an NFL writer for The Ringer. We talk about the whiplash, his life, his young career, how he got to where he is now, and how he feels about entering the Ringer at a time when the organization, and Bill Simmons, has come under the microscope for their diversity hiring practices. Kaelen Jones is a name you’ll hear a lot before long, and it was a pleasure talking with him. Check it out!

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Kaelen’s piece “I Remember You Crying,” referenced on the podcast, can be read here.

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